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PDA Forum / Palm / July 2008Desktop 4.0
I've got a Handspring Visor Platinum that has all of my info on it. I just purchased an iMac with OSX. From what Palmsource says, I need Desktop version 4 for the Mac, but when I downloaded 4.0 it has an error which the knowledgebase article says is missing files, and the solution is to reinstall from the CD, which I don't have. There are plenty of software CD's on eBay, but they are specified by the Palm model, and don't indicate which Desktop software they contain. What version of a Palm would have the 4.0 software I need? I've seen M500, Treo 650, Zire, Centro and Tungsten? TIA, Marty > I've got a Handspring Visor Platinum that has all of my info on it. I > just purchased an iMac with OSX. From what Palmsource says, I need [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > TIA, Marty Desktop 4.0.1 and Hotsync Manager 4.0 came together on the CD that I got with my m515 which I bought in March 2003. As far as I remember all the 5xx machines used the same PC (and therefore Mac ??) software. So I think that if you get something for one of those machines you *should* be OK. HTH. Harold Fuchs London, England > > I've got a Handspring Visor Platinum that has all of my info on it. I > > just purchased an iMac with OSX. From what Palmsource says, I need [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Harold Fuchs > London, England Harold, thanks for the response! I obtained an M500 installation disk, but found out that I had asked the wrong question. That's because when I clicked on the software installer on the disk, it came back and said that it couldn't be opened because the Classic interface is no longer supported. So now I guess my question is this: What version of a Palm would have the 4.0 software I need WITH AN INSTALLER THAT CAN BE RUN ON A SYSTEM WITH OS-X 10.5.4? I've seen M500, Treo 650, Zire, Centro and Tungsten? Marty > > > I've got a Handspring Visor Platinum that has all of my info on it. I > > > just purchased an iMac with OSX. From what Palmsource says, I need [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Marty Have your look at this information? http://www.palm.com/us/support/palmdesktop.html http://www.palm.com/us/support/macintosh/ Personally, I have not tried using iSync, as I still have an eMac G4 running Tiger and the downloaded Palm Desktop works perfectly on that computer. I think the Palm Desktop version I am using is 4.2.1, with a Palm Tungsten C.  SignatureI do the best I can, but I could be wrong. please post reply to newsgroup. David, Williamsport, PA. USA. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzev1hs3/ > http://www.palm.com/us/support/palmdesktop.html > http://www.palm.com/us/support/macintosh/ [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > computer. I think the Palm Desktop version I am using is 4.2.1, with a > Palm Tungsten C. Another option is Missing Sync for PalmOS. It costs $40 or so, but has a trial period. Read the reviews at versiontracker or macupdate and you'll see that some folks find it works fine and others have problems. Those with problems often complain about the tech support. Basic comparison: - Palm Desktop: works for many folks, not all. Basically not supported or maintained. Best match between data on Palm and on Mac. Not Intel native. 4.2.1 did work for me on an Intel machine running 10.4.x. Last I checked they were up to 4.2.1 rev D. - iSync: works for many folks, not all. Poor match between data on Palm and Mac. Syncs to Mac applications. Not fully Intel native because it uses Palm Desktop hotsync. Note: if Palm Desktop isn't hotsyncing for you then you probably can't use it. I used it for awhile, but could not get it to sync after doing a hard reset, so I gave up on it. - Missing Sync: works for many folks, not all. Mediocre match between data on Palm and Mac (a bit better than iSync but not even close to Palm Desktop). Syncs to Apple's applications. Fully Intel native. Costs money. I've used them all -- in the order shown. I now use Missing Sync. If I start having problems with it I intend to switch to Palm Desktop (or get rid of my Palm). (And if you mainly want backup, consider buying a program that lets you back up to an SD card and not syncing at all, and then keeping the SD card in a safe location.) -- Russell > > http://www.palm.com/us/support/palmdesktop.html > > http://www.palm.com/us/support/macintosh/ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > see that some folks find it works fine and others have problems. Those > with problems often complain about the tech support. Unfortunately it appears that Missing Sync isn't an option for me, as it specifically states that it is for Palm OS 4 & 5; my Visor is OS 3. Marty >>> http://www.palm.com/us/support/palmdesktop.html >>> http://www.palm.com/us/support/macintosh/ [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Unfortunately it appears that Missing Sync isn't an option for me, as > it specifically states that it is for Palm OS 4 & 5; my Visor is OS 3. Have you considered using some of the open source palm os sync tools? Maybe you should follow with time and use a newer device that can indeed be synced with your computer? You upgraded your computer, why not your PDA? JonB > Maybe you should follow with time and use a newer device that can indeed be > synced with your computer? You upgraded your computer, why not your PDA? Yeah ... but don't make it a Palm. Once you get your data out, run (don't walk) to an Apple Store (or AT&T) and take a look at the iPhone 3G. I've gone through a III, IIIx, M505, M515, three T5s, three LifeDrives, and a TX (which didn't die because by then I had learned to ignored the fact that it had a power button after it inevitably died) - and watched Palm dive into a self-destructive spiral, first with hardware with fatal flaws then with software which never arrived. I considered Win Mobile but I'm a Mac user and MS has no interest in selling to the Mac market - but then the iPhone 3G arrived. This thing is freakin' awesome. Finally there is a convergence device which can almost do what my Symbian 60 smartphones could do an adds a lot of what the Palm can do. You can see it evolving day by day as apps are added to the app store. And since it's built on MacOS X, its capabilities are pretty incredible. A real browser, fast internet, GPS, real email (that works), and real enterprise level software. I can VPN into our network through a Cisco concentrator and connect via VNC to my Linux servers - using a VNC app whose free version showed up four days ago and whose pro version showed up yesterday night. I've switched my main email repository from Comcast (which only supports POP3) to MobileMe (iMap) and now I don't have to double-screen email on both my MacBook Pro and my iPhone. Because I use a remailing service (pobox.com), it was just a matter to changing the email address target. And my email works - there's no VFS/dbcache issues which kill my email (which SnapperMail could partially cure but ultimately could not overcome Palm's hardware problems). And the user interface is like something out of the next century - it makes Palm OS 5 look like a Palm III. And yes, there are occasional minor glitches - the apps are 1.0 releases after all - but nothing like the battle to keep things running on the Palm. I got the 16GB model which gave me room to store my entire iTunes library, some music videos, a couple of movies, a large portion (thus far) of my ebooks, a few downsampled photo albums, and all my calendars and contacts. The phone book transfers seemlessly to my Garmin Nuvi 360 via bluetooth. I've retired my Nokia 6682, and have not yet retired my Palm TX since I use it for reading MobiPocket books. eReader stuff is on the iPhone now, but I still use the TX for night time ereading as I prefer using the navigation key to flip pages over the iPhone eReader's page swipe method. But the TX no longer leaves the house. I'm sure that as time goes on, I'll find something to curse the iPhone for, but at the moment I'm a pretty happy camper. Once the bills arrive for the complete infrastructure replacement (cradles, car transmitter/charger, iPhone clock radio, portable speaker system/charger) I'm sure my enthusiasm will dim, but I haven't felt this up on a portable electronic device since before my T5 died for the first time. -- Verne Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Verne Arase said: > Once you get your data out, run (don't walk) to an Apple Store (or AT&T) and > take a look at the iPhone 3G. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > smartphones could do an adds a lot of what the Palm can do. You can see it > evolving day by day as apps are added to the app store. However, it appears that syncing data other than contacts notes and calendar is problematic. Of the apps that I've seen so far in the app store that do interact with the desktop, they do so via WiFi only. I do note that I have not looked at everything in there. This isn't meant as a cut-down, just a cautionary note in case you're interested in syncing things like databases. Hopefully, I can pick mine up today. > A real browser, fast internet, GPS, real email (that works), and real There are a lot of complaints about the email NOT working in the Yahoo iPhone group. At least, not working if you only get email on demand. > enterprise level software. I can VPN into our network through a Cisco MS Word? MS Excel? PDF viewer? SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Tips for Evil Geniuses: 9. Experimental monster creations will not only have one immediately lethal vulnerability only I can exploit, but until my Diabolical Plan is ready to implement, they will also have an addiction to a material only I can supply, without which they will die in a day or two. >> Finally there is a convergence device which can almost do what my Symbian >> 60 smartphones could do an adds a lot of what the Palm can do. You can [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > store that do interact with the desktop, they do so via WiFi only. I > do note that I have not looked at everything in there. Local data transfer is definitely a problem. SplashID gets around it by using your local network and that zero config protocol to communicate directly between it and your Mac. > This isn't meant as a cut-down, just a cautionary note in case you're > interested in syncing things like databases. There are definitely wrinkles. If you have eReader books that aren't on Fictionwise or eReader, you're out of luck for the moment. eReader says the next update (slated for later this month) will solve this. Mobipocket's CEO said they'll be on the iPhone by the end of the year, but I'm not holding my breath. They could've produced a Mac client ages ago, but never did (and the iPhone is just a little Mac). > Hopefully, I can pick mine up today. Yowza, that's quick. Took me over a year to decide to get one. >> A real browser, fast internet, GPS, real email (that works), and real > > There are a lot of complaints about the email NOT working in the Yahoo > iPhone group. At least, not working if you only get email on demand. I use MobileMe since I already had a .Mac account. >> enterprise level software. I can VPN into our network through a Cisco > > MS Word? MS Excel? PDF viewer? Viewing only. I had the pro-level DataViz package, but never had the ambition to modify (much less create) a document. Except for gas milage programs and minor contact entry, I've always treated these devices as output only. If OTOH you're a grafitti whiz and create spreadsheets on the train, you're going to be disappointed. Funny thing is, I'm actually treating my MobileMe iMap account as a data store. Notes, todos, and mail with attachments all go into specially created folders there (I've long ago started doing this with my eBook receipts so I could track what books I've yet to read). And as for push email - I turn it off. Battery life's low enough without having the thing constantly awake and chatting with the email server. 3G and the GPS also suck power, but the speed and convenience are addicting. (For example, my Yellow Pages, Movie, and Weather app all know where I am and offer nearby suggtions based on proximity.) Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Verne Arase said: > > However, it appears that syncing data other than contacts notes and > > calendar is problematic. Of the apps that I've seen so far in the app Notes is a no-go, too. There is no interaction between the Notes app on the iPhone and anything else anywhere else. > Local data transfer is definitely a problem. > > SplashID gets around it by using your local network and that zero config > protocol to communicate directly between it and your Mac. That's what all those that do have a desktop companion do. > > Hopefully, I can pick mine up today. > Yowza, that's quick. Not really. It took a week and a half for something that should have taken two business days. > Took me over a year to decide to get one. I've been looking to replace the Palm for some time. Tried WinMob, took a hard look at Blackberry, and didn't like either. Android is still vaporware and Symbian is a no-go for me, at least in part because it's price-prohibitive. So when iPhone v2 was announced, with the availability of add-on apps, I started looking at iPhone. > >> A real browser, fast internet, GPS, real email (that works), and real > > MS Word? MS Excel? PDF viewer? > Viewing only. How? How do I get them onto the iPhone and what views them? > I had the pro-level DataViz package, but never had the ambition to modify > (much less create) a document. Except for gas milage programs and minor > contact entry, I've always treated these devices as output only. PIM data (contacts, calendar, ToDos and Memos/Notes) and shopping lists I maintain from the handheld. Most other things I maintain from the desktop. > If OTOH you're a grafitti whiz and create spreadsheets on the train, you're > going to be disappointed. Once I used a keypad on a Treo, I decided I never want to go back to handwriting input. > And as for push email - I turn it off. Battery life's low enough without > having the thing constantly awake and chatting with the email server. 3G and > the GPS also suck power, but the speed and convenience are addicting. (For > example, my Yellow Pages, Movie, and Weather app all know where I am and > offer nearby suggtions based on proximity.) No 3G in my area yet, so that's off on my iPhone. I wish there were a way to easily toggle "Location Services" off when the app that uses it has been closed. Likewise, I want a way to turn on/off Bluetooth without having to wade through the Settings. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Tips for evil cult members: 5. Never invoke anything bigger than your head. > Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Verne Arase said: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Notes is a no-go, too. There is no interaction between the Notes app > on the iPhone and anything else anywhere else. If you have MacOS X Leopard, Notes in your imap-based email server should be a natural to you. That's what I meant by using an imap folder as a data store - with MobileMe, your email, contacts, and calendar (as well as a few other things) are available from anywhere in the world (via the web apps). >>>> A real browser, fast internet, GPS, real email (that works), and real >>> MS Word? MS Excel? PDF viewer? >> Viewing only. > > How? How do I get them onto the iPhone and what views them? If you have a Mac: http://magnetismstudios.com/FileMagnet/ This also uses Boujour. Otherwise, you have to include it in an email attachment. >> And as for push email - I turn it off. Battery life's low enough without >> having the thing constantly awake and chatting with the email server. 3G [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > has been closed. Likewise, I want a way to turn on/off Bluetooth > without having to wade through the Settings. Yeah, bluetooth is relatively useless on the iPhone (with just HandsFree). I hope Apple includes more bluetooth profiles - I'd *really* like to have the ability to use the iPhone as a modem. After all, every other phone manufacturer seems to allow it. It's not like the iPhone data plan is any cheaper than any other smartphone/PDA's data plan now. -- Verne Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Verne Arase said: > If you have MacOS X Leopard, Notes in your imap-based email server should be > a natural to you. Windows. And why on earth should I have to waste space on my mail server for something like this? > That's what I meant by using an imap folder as a data store - with MobileMe, > your email, contacts, and calendar (as well as a few other things) are > available from anywhere in the world (via the web apps). My email, contacts and calendar are already available to me from anywhere I care to go because I'll have either my smartphone (currently an iPhone) or my laptop with me. Why should I pay yet another service? > If you have a Mac: http://magnetismstudios.com/FileMagnet/ > Otherwise, you have to include it in an email attachment. Windows. And why on earth should I have to waste even more space on my mail server for something like this? > Yeah, bluetooth is relatively useless on the iPhone (with just HandsFree). I Handsfree (headset/speakerphone) is all I need here. > hope Apple includes more bluetooth profiles - I'd *really* like to have the > ability to use the iPhone as a modem. Might be useful for me, but I'd rather use a cable. > After all, every other phone manufacturer seems to allow it. Not natively in PalmOS, you have to install commercial software to add it. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #195. I will not use hostages as bait in a trap. Unless you're going to use them for negotiation or as human shields, there's no point in taking them. > Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Verne Arase said: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Windows. And why on earth should I have to waste space on my mail > server for something like this? Because with an imap server/web server, you can access it from anywhere and it's backed up by the service provider. MobileMe gives me (I think) 20gb of storage online, to be split up between email and files however I want. I believe Google's service also gives you a whole bunch of storage (and may be free). >> That's what I meant by using an imap folder as a data store - with >> MobileMe, your email, contacts, and calendar (as well as a few other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anywhere I care to go because I'll have either my smartphone (currently > an iPhone) or my laptop with me. Why should I pay yet another service? The problem is that pdf and office viewing isn't provided by an application (like Documents To Go on the Palm), and thus there is no "data owner" who can place the data in a repository and give you access. On the iPhone, the data interpreter is probably the ARM equivalent of Quick Look, a facility in MacOS X Leopard. FileMagnet is simply an iPhone app which provides for Bonjour file transfers and it assumes ownership these document types so there's someone to provide the viewing environment. >> If you have a Mac: http://magnetismstudios.com/FileMagnet/ >> Otherwise, you have to include it in an email attachment. > > Windows. And why on earth should I have to waste even more space on my > mail server for something like this? FileMagnet has nothing to do with your mail server. >> hope Apple includes more bluetooth profiles - I'd *really* like to have the >> ability to use the iPhone as a modem. > > Might be useful for me, but I'd rather use a cable. I have a cable. What I used to use the cellular network for was backup (in case of cable failur) and away-from-home access. (I'm part of the Server Group providing 24x7 support for my company.) >> After all, every other phone manufacturer seems to allow it. > > Not natively in PalmOS, you have to install commercial software to add > it. I doubt a third party included the bluetooth stack or modem firmware. Does native the native PalmOS bluetooth stack support the serial or DUN profiles? -- Verne P.S. Something called TouchFS just appeared which appears to be something like FileMagnet allowing you to view PDFs, Text files, Image files, and HTML files (but curiously not office files). It purports to allow transfers from a Mac, WinXP, or Linux computer (but again curiously not Vista). It is, however, playing to less than stellar reviews. Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Verne Arase said: > > Windows. And why on earth should I have to waste space on my mail > > server for something like this? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > email and files however I want. I believe Google's service also gives you a > whole bunch of storage (and may be free). I've lost track of how much online storage space I have available with my domain host, but it's way more than I need. But the question remains: Why should I have to use my +email+ storage for this? This also means that it will be duplicated on every machine I get email on: My desktop and my laptop as well as the server and the iPhone. On two of those machines, that means that I have the files on there twice. Such file duplication... annoys me as being highly inelegant. > FileMagnet is simply an iPhone app which provides for Bonjour file transfers > and it assumes ownership these document types so there's someone to provide > the viewing environment. Which, since I don't have a Mac, is actually irrelevant. Unless/until FileMagnet becomes available for Windows users too, and allows for iPhone-local storage and not merely a remote viewing platform. > >> If you have a Mac: http://magnetismstudios.com/FileMagnet/ > >> Otherwise, you have to include it in an email attachment. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > FileMagnet has nothing to do with your mail server. But the rest of your suggestion does: "Otherwise, you have to include it in an email attachment." > >> hope Apple includes more bluetooth profiles - I'd *really* like to have the > >> ability to use the iPhone as a modem. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > case of cable failur) and away-from-home access. (I'm part of the Server > Group providing 24x7 support for my company.) Um, no. Not "a cable" as in Comcast or Time Warner. "a cable" as in a data cable between the laptop and the phone rather than BlueTooth or WiFi. One less power-sucking radio to run that way. > >> After all, every other phone manufacturer seems to allow it. > > Not natively in PalmOS, you have to install commercial software to add > > it. > > I doubt a third party included the bluetooth stack or modem firmware. So far as +I+ know, the PalmOS native BT stack handles the "Handsfree" profile only. IOW, telephonic headsets/speaker kits. > Does native the native PalmOS bluetooth stack support the serial or DUN > profiles? As far as I can determine, neither. > P.S. Something called TouchFS just appeared which appears to be something > like FileMagnet allowing you to view PDFs, Text files, Image files, and HTML > files (but curiously not office files). It purports to allow transfers from a > Mac, WinXP, or Linux computer (but again curiously not Vista). It is, > however, playing to less than stellar reviews. I saw it. But since I'm looking specifically for MS Office file support, I'll pass on that for now, and periodically check the App Store for Office related keywords. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #197. I will explain to my Legions of Terror that guns are ranged weapons and swords are not. Anyone who attempts to throw a sword at the hero or club him with a gun will be summarily executed. > Funny thing is, I'm actually treating my MobileMe iMap account as a data ^^^^ Gah! Stop that! Not everything that starts with the letter "i" is a fscking Apple product and thus subject to their stupid capitilization scheme. It's IMAP. See <http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc3501.txt>. SignatureJoshua Baker-LePain QB3 Shared Cluster Sysadmin UCSF >> Funny thing is, I'm actually treating my MobileMe iMap account as a data > ^^^^ > Gah! Stop that! Not everything that starts with the letter "i" is a > fscking Apple product and thus subject to their stupid capitilization scheme. > It's IMAP. See <http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc3501.txt>. Snork. > >> Funny thing is, I'm actually treating my MobileMe iMap account as a data > > ^^^^ [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Snork. This has been interesting; too bad it is a complete thread highjack from my original posting. At this point it appears that I am SOL as far as getting Desktop 4.0 installed on my iMac, which means that I am SOL for any kind of a backup for my trusty Visor. I can't go with an iPhone, as I have a new 2 year contract with Verizon, so I guess I'll just be careful about keeping good batteries in the Visor until something new strikes my fancy. Marty > This has been interesting; too bad it is a complete thread highjack > from my original posting. At this point it appears that I am SOL as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just be careful about keeping good batteries in the Visor until > something new strikes my fancy. Sorry ... but my memory gets really foggy past the T5s. Does the Visor even have a USB cradle? If not, you'll need a USB<->serial bridge. Have you tried installing the latest Palm Sync app from Palm to see if it'll work? (The latest Mac Palm Sync app is none too late, unfortunately. It's actually a mutated contact manager that Apple used to own). It should be available for free download at www.palm.com in the support section ... just make sure you download a version for MacOS X. It probably wouldn't hurt to try it (as long as you set the conduits to overlay the desktop before trying a sync). Problem is, the Visors were a 3rd party Palm-compatible device whose company was started by ex-Palmers. The company was eventually acquired by Palm to get the cellphone/PDA hybrids, and Palm just let the non-cellphone Visors languish. I'm not sure how much the sync protocols changed between models - the Palm 4.0 Desktop seems to claim Visor compatibility. Good luck! -- Verne > > This has been interesting; too bad it is a complete thread highjack > > from my original posting. At this point it appears that I am SOL as [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > -- Verne The problem I ran into after downloading and installing desktop 4.0 was that it still didn't work, giving me an error message that said to reload from a CD, because some files were missing. Unfortunately, no one has come up with an installer on a CD that will run under OS-X; they were meant for the OS 9 emulator (Classic environment), which doesn't exist in 10.5.4. For whatever reason, 4.21 doesn't work either. Marty >> Maybe you should follow with time and use a newer device that can indeed be >> synced with your computer? You upgraded your computer, why not your PDA? [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > -- Verne I am currently moving from a T3 to an iPhone, and and happy with the transition so far. While there are some apps on the T3 that I use that I have not yet been able to replace, they are few, relatively minor, and such that I have no doubt that an app will be released for them on the iPhone. Having a real browser makes it possible to fall back onto such things as Google Spreadsheets/Forms for some simple data-driven uses. Reading Office documents works very well. Nothing for editing...yet, but honestly, I never really edited Office documents on the T3 either. Just enough to dabble around and see what it was like. What I want to see more than anything else on it will be a smooth way to get to my Exchange/Outlook mail. Next would be a way to pair a bluetooth keyboard. SignatureAllan Crowson Nortel Risk Management Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Allan Crowson said: > Reading Office documents works very well. Nothing for editing...yet, but How? And what about PDF? > What I want to see more than anything else on it will be a smooth way to > get to my Exchange/Outlook mail. Next would be a way to pair a bluetooth > keyboard. The iPhone 3G does Exchange, and iTunes (v7.7) claims to be able to sync Outlook email on the desktop. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "The Superior Person's Book Of Words", by Peter Bowler: DEFENESTRATION: The act of throwing someone or something out of a window. A word that is neologism's paradigm and justification. If the word were not needed to describe the act, the act would need to be performed to justify the word. > Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Allan Crowson said: > >> Reading Office documents works very well. Nothing for editing...yet, but > > How? And what about PDF? The iPhone 2.0 software's Mail application reads PDF/Office/iWork documents natively (but does not edit). "Out of the box" you have to get the document as an email attachment. :-( As others bring out later in the thread, 3rd parties are working on other approaches. I used to use Documents to Go on the T3, and it was quite interesting, but in truth, I had very little reason to edit or create Office-type documents on the T3, and I expect the situation will be similar with the iPhone. Nonetheless, it would be good to have the capability to edit something, just in case. >> What I want to see more than anything else on it will be a smooth way to >> get to my Exchange/Outlook mail. Next would be a way to pair a bluetooth >> keyboard. > > The iPhone 3G does Exchange, and iTunes (v7.7) claims to be able to > sync Outlook email on the desktop. Yes, good point, and I will try that, but I really want to be able to get to my Exchange data remotely. The idea is not to require my Nortel HP or my MacBook in order to keep current with things. SignatureAllan Crowson Nortel Risk Management Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Allan Crowson said: > I used to use Documents to Go on the T3, and it was quite interesting, > but in truth, I had very little reason to edit or create Office-type > documents on the T3, and I expect the situation will be similar with the > iPhone. Nonetheless, it would be good to have the capability to edit > something, just in case. The ability to edit such files is not mission-critical for me, but it would be nice. > > The iPhone 3G does Exchange, and iTunes (v7.7) claims to be able to > > sync Outlook email on the desktop. > > Yes, good point, and I will try that, but I really want to be able to > get to my Exchange data remotely. The idea is not to require my Nortel > HP or my MacBook in order to keep current with things. I don't use Exchange myself, so I don't know how much the iPhone will do, but I do know that when you go to setup an email account, Exchange is one of the predefined options. (Also MobileMe, Yahoo, GMail and AOL.) SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #197. I will explain to my Legions of Terror that guns are ranged weapons and swords are not. Anyone who attempts to throw a sword at the hero or club him with a gun will be summarily executed. >> The iPhone 3G does Exchange, and iTunes (v7.7) claims to be able to >> sync Outlook email on the desktop. > > Yes, good point, and I will try that, but I really want to be able to > get to my Exchange data remotely. The idea is not to require my Nortel > HP or my MacBook in order to keep current with things. You'll need the iPhone 2.0 software (which means a 3G or a firmware update), but if you go to Settings->Mail, Contacts, Calendars and tap Add Account... you'll see the first option is Microsoft Exchange. The big addition to 2.0 was enterprise support ... which is how I can now get into my enterprise's Cisco VPN. The VPN support was almost a side-note though - the big news was Microsoft Exchange support. -- Verne >>> The iPhone 3G does Exchange, and iTunes (v7.7) claims to be able to >>> sync Outlook email on the desktop. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -- Verne Yes, I'm aware of the Exchange option in setting up mail accounts on the iPhone. I set mine up, in fact. The problem is that it still doesn't get through and show my my Exchange information. Authentication never occurs. I don't think the problem is on the iPhone side, as many people apparently use it without problem. But I've yet to come across someone using it successfully *within Nortel*. Since the 'enterprise support' I need is not really Cisco-oriented, I'm not getting very far. But I am hoping that IS will at least *allow* an unsupported use of Exchange via iPhone. SignatureAllan Crowson [cuuuut] > (And if you mainly want backup, consider buying a program that lets you > back up to an SD card and not syncing at all, and then keeping the SD > card in a safe location.) And how will he get it installed without a sync tool? > [cuuuut] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And how will he get it installed without a sync tool? With a card reader and Filez? (don't know if this will work with OS3 or commercial backup software; I use RFBackup, and also sync with my Linux PC using jpilot). > [cuuuut] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And how will he get it installed without a sync tool? Secure File PDA Backup, which I use for creating a backup of my Palm Tungsten C, came installed on a Palm compatible memory card. There is room on that card for at least 1 back up and I have copied the program from the card to the Palm and I can now backup to any compatible memory card. This application supports selective backups of files and apps as well as complete backups. SignatureI do the best I can, but I could be wrong. please post reply to newsgroup. David, Williamsport, PA. USA. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzev1hs3/ |
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